Comments on: First impressions of NetBeans 5 Beta 2 http://chaoticjava.com/posts/first-impressions-of-netbeans-5-beta-2/ The internet, design patterns, frameworks and Java Sat, 05 Nov 2011 18:39:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Working example of X2J coming up! at Chaotic Java http://chaoticjava.com/posts/first-impressions-of-netbeans-5-beta-2/comment-page-1/#comment-123 Working example of X2J coming up! at Chaotic Java Sat, 14 Jan 2006 22:14:28 +0000 http://javachaos.crazyredpanda.com/?p=82#comment-123 [...] The editor, on the other hand, wasn’t as helpful as I’m used to, and most of the time wasn’t up to date with changes I’ve made and showed the wrong errors, or didn’t show errors at all where there should be. Also, as I already commented before, it didn’t have as many quick-fixes as I’m used to, even on trivial points such as creating a new class if one is referenced to and does not exist. // Used for showing and hiding user information in the comment form function ShowUtils() { document.getElementById("authorinfo").style.display = ""; document.getElementById("showinfo").style.display = "none"; document.getElementById("hideinfo").style.display = ""; } function HideUtils() { document.getElementById("authorinfo").style.display = "none"; document.getElementById("showinfo").style.display = ""; document.getElementById("hideinfo").style.display = "none"; } [...] [...] The editor, on the other hand, wasn’t as helpful as I’m used to, and most of the time wasn’t up to date with changes I’ve made and showed the wrong errors, or didn’t show errors at all where there should be. Also, as I already commented before, it didn’t have as many quick-fixes as I’m used to, even on trivial points such as creating a new class if one is referenced to and does not exist. // Used for showing and hiding user information in the comment form function ShowUtils() { document.getElementById(“authorinfo”).style.display = “”; document.getElementById(“showinfo”).style.display = “none”; document.getElementById(“hideinfo”).style.display = “”; } function HideUtils() { document.getElementById(“authorinfo”).style.display = “none”; document.getElementById(“showinfo”).style.display = “”; document.getElementById(“hideinfo”).style.display = “none”; } [...]

]]> By: Mart Slot http://chaoticjava.com/posts/first-impressions-of-netbeans-5-beta-2/comment-page-1/#comment-118 Mart Slot Sat, 14 Jan 2006 14:23:31 +0000 http://javachaos.crazyredpanda.com/?p=82#comment-118 Roman, you've certainly got me interested. A smarter editor is (imho) the thing NetBeans needs most at the moment. Not that the current editor isn't good, but as you also said yourself, IDEA is better. I'm really looking forward to it :) Avah, I agree a tip of the day dialog would be helpful. An IDE as NetBeans, IDEA or Eclipse has such a number of features it takes a while to get to know them all (after almost 5 months, I'm still discovering new useful IDEA features ;)). And I don't think I could be disappointed by an honest opinion on NetBeans. I'm a believer of survival of the fittest, especially when it comes to software. As long as the best IDE 'wins' the war, I'm not really complaining. I would feel sorry if NetBeans would go down in the fight, but in the end, the Java developer has to get the best IDE possible. If I were in charge of a development project at this moment, I would probably choose IDEA as the development environment (unless it is a J2ME project). Not just because IDEA lets you develop very quickly, but also because of the inspections, which especially come in handy when working with more than one developer. It makes it a lot easier to use one style of coding. As for NetBeans 5.0 RC1, I've just downloaded and installed it yesterday. I read a lot of interesting articles on Wicket and so I want to check it out for myself. This also gives me a good chance to see the new NetBeans for myself. Unfortunately I haven't had much time to use it yet, but I'm really interested in the new features. Best regards, Mart Slot Roman, you’ve certainly got me interested. A smarter editor is (imho) the thing NetBeans needs most at the moment. Not that the current editor isn’t good, but as you also said yourself, IDEA is better. I’m really looking forward to it :)

Avah, I agree a tip of the day dialog would be helpful. An IDE as NetBeans, IDEA or Eclipse has such a number of features it takes a while to get to know them all (after almost 5 months, I’m still discovering new useful IDEA features ;) ).

And I don’t think I could be disappointed by an honest opinion on NetBeans. I’m a believer of survival of the fittest, especially when it comes to software. As long as the best IDE ‘wins’ the war, I’m not really complaining. I would feel sorry if NetBeans would go down in the fight, but in the end, the Java developer has to get the best IDE possible.
If I were in charge of a development project at this moment, I would probably choose IDEA as the development environment (unless it is a J2ME project). Not just because IDEA lets you develop very quickly, but also because of the inspections, which especially come in handy when working with more than one developer. It makes it a lot easier to use one style of coding.

As for NetBeans 5.0 RC1, I’ve just downloaded and installed it yesterday. I read a lot of interesting articles on Wicket and so I want to check it out for myself. This also gives me a good chance to see the new NetBeans for myself. Unfortunately I haven’t had much time to use it yet, but I’m really interested in the new features.

Best regards,

Mart Slot

]]> By: Avah http://chaoticjava.com/posts/first-impressions-of-netbeans-5-beta-2/comment-page-1/#comment-110 Avah Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:48:36 +0000 http://javachaos.crazyredpanda.com/?p=82#comment-110 I do hope you enjoyed the review. Thanks for linking me to the tutorial. I hope I'll have the 50 minutes expected there to do it. Once I have a few spare moments, I'll do my check on Profiler on one of the projects I have written. Hopefully it will prove useful and friendly! I do hope you enjoyed the review.

Thanks for linking me to the tutorial. I hope I’ll have the 50 minutes expected there to do it. Once I have a few spare moments, I’ll do my check on Profiler on one of the projects I have written. Hopefully it will prove useful and friendly!

]]> By: Roman Strobl http://chaoticjava.com/posts/first-impressions-of-netbeans-5-beta-2/comment-page-1/#comment-109 Roman Strobl Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:41:41 +0000 http://javachaos.crazyredpanda.com/?p=82#comment-109 Nice review of Matisse, thanks. I hope your experience with the Profiler will be also good. Check out this tutorial: http://www.netbeans.org/kb/articles/nb-profiler-tutor-8.html Nice review of Matisse, thanks. I hope your experience with the Profiler will be also good. Check out this tutorial:

http://www.netbeans.org/kb/articles/nb-profiler-tutor-8.html

]]> By: Avah http://chaoticjava.com/posts/first-impressions-of-netbeans-5-beta-2/comment-page-1/#comment-108 Avah Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:20:39 +0000 http://javachaos.crazyredpanda.com/?p=82#comment-108 Mart: I hope I won't disappoint you with my further posts. I do try to give everything a good try, to use as many features as I can see. I'm also trying the "intuitive way" - If I need to go and read about a feature in the 102nd page in some manual in order to activate it, it might as well not be there. That's why I think the tip of the day while the IDE is working is so important - It exposes the developer to the IDE's secret features in the developer's idle time. Mart: I hope I won’t disappoint you with my further posts. I do try to give everything a good try, to use as many features as I can see. I’m also trying the “intuitive way” – If I need to go and read about a feature in the 102nd page in some manual in order to activate it, it might as well not be there.

That’s why I think the tip of the day while the IDE is working is so important – It exposes the developer to the IDE’s secret features in the developer’s idle time.

]]> By: Avah http://chaoticjava.com/posts/first-impressions-of-netbeans-5-beta-2/comment-page-1/#comment-107 Avah Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:18:25 +0000 http://javachaos.crazyredpanda.com/?p=82#comment-107 I actually saw the RC1 was released recently! Haven't downloaded it yet... Might do soon. About Matisse - Check out the <a href="http://chaoticjava.com/?p=84" rel="nofollow">new post I just placed</a>. It's about the Matisse experience I had - I can't say enough about it. It's just great. :) About free and opensource.. That's a big added value, but remember that IDEA gives a free license to mature Open Source projects, and most developers want the <i>free</i> more than the <i>open source</i> in NetBeans, I'm sure. :) I actually saw the RC1 was released recently!

Haven’t downloaded it yet… Might do soon.

About Matisse – Check out the new post I just placed. It’s about the Matisse experience I had – I can’t say enough about it. It’s just great. :)

About free and opensource.. That’s a big added value, but remember that IDEA gives a free license to mature Open Source projects, and most developers want the free more than the open source in NetBeans, I’m sure. :)

]]> By: NetBeans 5’s Matisse impressions at Chaotic Java http://chaoticjava.com/posts/first-impressions-of-netbeans-5-beta-2/comment-page-1/#comment-106 NetBeans 5’s Matisse impressions at Chaotic Java Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:10:06 +0000 http://javachaos.crazyredpanda.com/?p=82#comment-106 [...] Some of Matisse’s features really made me raise an eye brow thinking “How come no one did That before?”. I hope Matisse’s developers keep up the inspirational work, and use it further to enhance their Java code editor, still not reaching the bar IntelliJ set. [...] [...] Some of Matisse’s features really made me raise an eye brow thinking “How come no one did That before?”. I hope Matisse’s developers keep up the inspirational work, and use it further to enhance their Java code editor, still not reaching the bar IntelliJ set. [...]

]]> By: Roman Strobl http://chaoticjava.com/posts/first-impressions-of-netbeans-5-beta-2/comment-page-1/#comment-105 Roman Strobl Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:33:28 +0000 http://javachaos.crazyredpanda.com/?p=82#comment-105 Btw, you should try the RC1 if you haven't tried it yet :) Btw, you should try the RC1 if you haven’t tried it yet :)

]]> By: Roman Strobl http://chaoticjava.com/posts/first-impressions-of-netbeans-5-beta-2/comment-page-1/#comment-104 Roman Strobl Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:31:25 +0000 http://javachaos.crazyredpanda.com/?p=82#comment-104 Great names... haha :) I agree, IDEA is better in editor productivity - I completely acknowledge it. I hope that I won't lose my job, but it's simply true. We want to change this though - a new team is forming to create a more productive editor. If you're not persuaded now, try NetBeans after 2 releases! Stay tuned for some interesting announcements around this year's Java One. There's a lot of areas where NetBeans is much better, take for instance Matisse, profiler, J2ME support, J2EE, etc. It really depends on which kind of applications you write. A lot of people start now to use 2 IDEs at once, which is also quite interesting. And one more point ... free and opensource is a big reason for many people to choose for NetBeans. The community is great and very supportive. Great names… haha :) I agree, IDEA is better in editor productivity – I completely acknowledge it. I hope that I won’t lose my job, but it’s simply true. We want to change this though – a new team is forming to create a more productive editor. If you’re not persuaded now, try NetBeans after 2 releases! Stay tuned for some interesting announcements around this year’s Java One.

There’s a lot of areas where NetBeans is much better, take for instance Matisse, profiler, J2ME support, J2EE, etc. It really depends on which kind of applications you write. A lot of people start now to use 2 IDEs at once, which is also quite interesting.

And one more point … free and opensource is a big reason for many people to choose for NetBeans. The community is great and very supportive.

]]> By: Mart Slot http://chaoticjava.com/posts/first-impressions-of-netbeans-5-beta-2/comment-page-1/#comment-101 Mart Slot Thu, 12 Jan 2006 22:33:52 +0000 http://javachaos.crazyredpanda.com/?p=82#comment-101 Hello Avah, I have been a NetBeans fan since I started learning Java on college, now two years ago. I have used NetBeans 3.6 a lot, and I was stunned by the incredible improvements made in 4.0, after which I've always kept an eye out for any news on new NetBeans innovations. Improvements in 4.1 again amazed me, and the speed at which all these incredible new features were added made me even a bigger fan. However, since the start of this school year, I have had to do an (I believe the English word is) internship. And the company where I was going to work used IntelliJ IDEA. Now at first I thought "this can't be better than NetBeans, I wouldn't know how", but IDEA soon proved me wrong. Although NetBeans and IDEA share quite a number of features, IDEA leaves NetBeans far behind. The ease of refactoring, the (enormous amount of) on the fly inspections, live templates, and so on. If I see the problems Eclipse has run into lately, especially the SWT trouble, and if I look at the speed at which NetBeans is evolving, I think the battle between those two will in the end be won by NetBeans. The number of IDE creators now aligning with Eclipse looks more like a desperate struggle to stay on top than some great victory, at least to me. However, and I think this is something that really has been missing in the IDE war, what I find far more interesting is the 'war' between IDEA and NetBeans. (which explains my interest in your blog) At this moment, I think IDEA is still better than NetBeans, because it's simply a much more intelligent IDE than NetBeans. On the other hand, NetBeans has got built in support for J2EE, including Servlets and JSPs. It provides a UI cover over configuration xml files, which I think is very helpful. NetBeans also has a wonderfull GUI editor (even without Matisse it was great), the profiler, and very advanced J2ME support (the mobility pack). And although NetBeans has a reputation for being slow, I often get the feeling IDEA is actually a lot slower than NetBeans, which I never found too slow (maybe a bit on startup, but IDEA is much much worse, especially in large projects) As I was saying, the war between IDEA and NetBeans is something I find very interesting, yet I never hear much of it (or am I not looking in the right places?). In fact, before I started my internship, I had only once or twice heard of IDEA itself. I'm am therefore very interested in what your judgement will be in the end, and I will surely read what you have to say on NetBeans and IDEA. I also hope you can keep in mind, when making your judgement, the way NetBeans has evolved over the past two years. I do not know how IDEA has evolved, but I think they do need to worry about this open source competitor closing in on them at great speed. Best regards, Mart Slot PS: Wow, must be exiting to get all these 'great names' from NetBeans development to post on your blog ;) Hello Avah,

I have been a NetBeans fan since I started learning Java on college, now two years ago. I have used NetBeans 3.6 a lot, and I was stunned by the incredible improvements made in 4.0, after which I’ve always kept an eye out for any news on new NetBeans innovations. Improvements in 4.1 again amazed me, and the speed at which all these incredible new features were added made me even a bigger fan.

However, since the start of this school year, I have had to do an (I believe the English word is) internship. And the company where I was going to work used IntelliJ IDEA. Now at first I thought “this can’t be better than NetBeans, I wouldn’t know how”, but IDEA soon proved me wrong. Although NetBeans and IDEA share quite a number of features, IDEA leaves NetBeans far behind. The ease of refactoring, the (enormous amount of) on the fly inspections, live templates, and so on.

If I see the problems Eclipse has run into lately, especially the SWT trouble, and if I look at the speed at which NetBeans is evolving, I think the battle between those two will in the end be won by NetBeans. The number of IDE creators now aligning with Eclipse looks more like a desperate struggle to stay on top than some great victory, at least to me.

However, and I think this is something that really has been missing in the IDE war, what I find far more interesting is the ‘war’ between IDEA and NetBeans. (which explains my interest in your blog) At this moment, I think IDEA is still better than NetBeans, because it’s simply a much more intelligent IDE than NetBeans. On the other hand, NetBeans has got built in support for J2EE, including Servlets and JSPs. It provides a UI cover over configuration xml files, which I think is very helpful. NetBeans also has a wonderfull GUI editor (even without Matisse it was great), the profiler, and very advanced J2ME support (the mobility pack). And although NetBeans has a reputation for being slow, I often get the feeling IDEA is actually a lot slower than NetBeans, which I never found too slow (maybe a bit on startup, but IDEA is much much worse, especially in large projects)
As I was saying, the war between IDEA and NetBeans is something I find very interesting, yet I never hear much of it (or am I not looking in the right places?). In fact, before I started my internship, I had only once or twice heard of IDEA itself. I’m am therefore very interested in what your judgement will be in the end, and I will surely read what you have to say on NetBeans and IDEA.

I also hope you can keep in mind, when making your judgement, the way NetBeans has evolved over the past two years. I do not know how IDEA has evolved, but I think they do need to worry about this open source competitor closing in on them at great speed.

Best regards,

Mart Slot

PS: Wow, must be exiting to get all these ‘great names’ from NetBeans development to post on your blog ;)

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